Production in Full Swing for Holiday Season; New Items Added!

Thunderbird Atlatl is busy making lots of darts and atlatls to meet the holiday rush. Please give us a call at 1-800-836-4520 if you have any questions. If we are not in, just leave a message and we will get back to you. You can also reach us at: 607-743-4379 or 607-22-9873. Again, leave us a message and we will get back to you. We have added a few more items to our inventory. See below for those who want to try to make their own atlatl. Remember try to order soon so we can get your order out to you quicker.

How to Make an Atlatl
Atlatls are easy to make if you have a sense of how long and how massive to make them. Atlatls can be made from a wide variety of materials that include wood and bone to fiberglass or even metal but the most favored material is wood. I don’t believe that there are a lot of advantages of modern materials over wood in the construction or action of an atlatl. Hardwood is favorable to softwood for making atlatls. Hardwoods that are more elastic are better than brash or brittle woods. Thunderbird Atlatl sells various hardwood atlatl blanks as well as milled ash dart shafts 5 foot, six foot and seven foot long.
Ash 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” $5.00
Cherry 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” 6.00
Hickory 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” 5.00
Curley Maple 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” 7.00
Bloodwood 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” 12.00
Purpleheart 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” 7.00
Brazilian Cherry 2 ½” x7/8” x 27” 7.00
This price includes a line drawing on the wood of any of our atlatl designs found in our on line catalog so you can cut it out, modify, or use your own design on it.
Call our 800- 836-4520 for more information or check out our on line catalog. The blanks will be added to the online catalog soon.

You can find a lot of atlatl plans at: http://www.thudscave.com/npaa/designs/

You may like to try one of our atlatl making tool kits which consists of a short bladed large handled Swedish steel carving knife, a draw shave and a scorp. You can buy these as a kit or one at a time. We also sell Swedish steel blades which you can put your own handle on made perhaps from a deer antler or a scrap of the atlatl wood kit. Give us a call for pricing and information on these items, 1-800-836-4520.

The length of an atlatl can be variable. The best guide to length is to measure from the center of your palm to the armpit with your stretched out arm, plus or minus a few inches. If you want to make mostly distance shots then add a few inches and if you want more accuracy at shorter ranges take an inch or two off.

Making a spear thrower and a dart can be a rewarding experience for those who have a yearning for handicraft.
Atlatl plans and dart designs as well as do it yourself atlatl and dart kits will be available soon at www.thunderbirdatlatl.com

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Holiday Orders/New York State Atlatl Association

The holidays are fast approaching and we are getting ready for holiday orders. It helps if you are able to place your order before December 15th as we are not always able to guarantee shipping after that time. The postal service, UPS, Fed Ex and DHL are swamped at that time of year and we have noticed they are not always able to guarantee delivery.
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Atlatl Challenge part of Ithaca College Television Production, The Race

Atlatl contests can take many forms. An Ithaca College student and Park Scholar, Peter Berg, has produced a reality television show called “The Race” which is patterned after the popular CBS television show “The Amazing Race”. “The Race”, unlike the national show, took place over a four day period in upstate New York. “The Race” involved six teams of two people each from Ithaca College, located in Ithaca, NY.

An atlatl challenge was one of the many challenges the participants were able to tackle during their four days of competition. The atlatl challenge was set up at the Waterman Conservation Center in Apalachin, NY on Friday, Oct. 20. The five remaining teams had to complete this challenge before receiving a clue to go on to the next phase of the race.

Bob Berg gave each team rudimentary instructions on the use of the atlatl and set them up with equipment. Their task was to shoot at the target which was placed about 12 yards away and place two darts within each of the five successively smaller rings ending with the gold bull’s eye. Complicating this was the fact that the day had been cold and rainy. The ground was at first slippery grass which quickly turned into slippery mud as the activity progressed. The action was fast and furious as the participants had to retrieve darts after each round as fast as they could on the slick surface. The contestants were all college students with varying degrees of natural talent for throwing darts with an atlatl.

Atlatls were used in another leg of the race as contestants had to locate one of five atlatls that were hidden on Hiawatha Island. Hiawatha Island is an island on the Susquehanna River near Owego, NY. Contestants had the choice of going to Hiawatha Island before or after the atlatl challnege. The competitiors who went to the island first had no knowledge of atlatls had to guess what they were.

The contest ended at the Gazebo in the Courthouse Square in Owego, NY, followed by dinner and an overnight stay at the First Union Presbyterian Church, also in Owego.

The staff at Thunderbird Atlatl enjoyed the opportunity to help on this project and we look forward to airing of the show on Ithaca College Television in November. The show can also be downloaded from Ithaca College TV web page when it airs.

Atlatl Hunting & Fishing

Atlatlists from the Northeast have been slowly but surely working their way toward getting the atlatl accepted as a big game hunting weapon.

Russ Guthrie of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania has been leading the way. Russ has the unique ability to bring the right people together at the negotiating table. It is an up hill climb as this small special interest group attempts to negotiate governmental hurdles to get the atlatl accepted. Atlatlists want to join with their fellow hunters in the fields and forests of Pennsylvania as accepted members of the hunting community.

Missouri has recently joined the short list of states where atlatl hunting is allowed. Atlatlists are now allowed to hunt small game in Missouri. We atlatl hunters and fishermen and women hope this effort continues and spreads to other states.

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Atlatl Myths

The atlatl and dart are mythically endowed with powers that are highly overrated by several atlatlists. The first myth is that the dart flexes and compresses, storing energy in order to push itself away from the atlatl. Another myth is that there is a specific magic formula for the optimum length of the dart to the length of the atlatl. The third myth is that atlatl weights increase the power or speed of the dart as it rebounds from the atlatl. Although these are fascinating concepts they are not true.

The reason an atlatl dart needs to have a certain flex is that there are lateral components to the vectors that are necessary to cast a dart caused by its non linear acceleration. This is caused by the way the atlatl must work due to the human anatomy. The atlatl must go through an arch to cast the dart. As it does so, the back of the dart is pushed first up then down as it accelerates forward. The dart must be designed to bend enough to allow this to happen. Upon close inspection of fast action pictures of the moment when the dart disengages from the atlatl, flexible atlatls remain flexed after disengaging from the dart. This phenomenon leads me to believe that the energy stored in the flexing atlatl is lost rather than transferred to the dart.

The dart to atlatl length ratio has more to do with the strength of the atlatlist and his or her goal in throwing the dart. Smaller, shorter darts will work just as well in the same atlatl as longer heavier darts to achieve the specific results desired by the atlatlist. Distance darts tend to be lighter and shorter whereas hunting darts are longer and heavier. Darts meant to be used for target shooting work better if they are lighter and long, yet with a fairly sturdy spine especially if the target is set at 15 to 20 meters. The long light darts work best for the target shooter because of their lower and straighter trajectory. The dart needs to be “tuned” to the capabilities and the goals of the atlatlist rather than the dart being sized to the atlatl. The flexibility of the dart needs to be matched to the degree that is necessary for it to be cast effectively by a particular atlatlist. That depends on the casting technique of the atlatlist more than anything else.

Atlatl weights add to the stability of the cast rather than to its power, speed or penetration. It takes energy to accelerate the extra weight of the stone. Some say that the energy is returned to the system to give it more power. This theory may erroneously lead you to believe that the stone weight somehow acts as an amplifier of the power exerted in the throw. Simply said, you get out of a cast what you put into it. It again depends on the atlatlist, his technique, and how hard he or she throws the dart.

Bannerstones are unlikely to have been used as atlatl weights, except on modern atlatls. The idea was proposed as absolute truth by William S. Webb who is no longer alive to argue with. Now we have lots of people who have run with the idea. They have invested time in making so called replica atlatls using bannerstone weights or writing various articles about bannerstone weights with mystic properties like increasing velocity or silencing the dart. They all followed the leader like lemmings over the cliff.

The atlatls allegedly found with bannerstones on them didn’t even have shafts upon which the bannerstone, atlatl hook and handle were attached. They were found “in situ” which means that they were found in place in a way which Webb suggested that they were parts that went together. I would add here that thousands of bannerstones have been found all over the place in North America, but they have only been found with hooks and handles in digs done by Webb. I should say digs done by Webb’s crews. It isn’t clear that he actually did the digs. If his work were submitted to a group of peers today it would be highly suspect. It’s possible that the bannerstones were simply in the same container with atlatls. Webb doesn’t even discuss that possibility.

Many people have suggested to me that there are petroglyphs that prove that bannerstones were atlatl weights. A picture at www.thudscave.com/petroglyphs/atlatls.htm
shows what some people believe is proof positive but if those are bannerstones it seems that they would weigh about 10 pounds or more. Also the pictures are way too much like cartoon figures to get any real information from them.

There are other reasons I think bannerstones were not atlatl weights. I have examined hundreds of them in various conditions from whole to bits and pieces. I looked carefully at the holes and how they were drilled. I looked at wear patterns and I measured the holes. Some of the holes were as small as ¼ inch, many were 3/8”, and the average was about ½ inch, the largest I have seen was over an inch. Most of the holes seemed too small for an atlatl shaft that would work well.

What they all had in common, where the bannerstone was whole enough to detect this, was that they were all balanced. That is to say that they looked like they were designed to spin. Atlatls don’t need to spin. What would a hunter gatherer need that spins? Something to make string, fire or drill holes is the answer. I think it is the string making tool that is the best answer. It’s the best answer because string is necessary to haft points and tie on fletching among other handy applications for cordage in the hunter gatherer’s lifestyle.

Bannerstones are also all over the place as far as weight is concerned. Most of them seem to me to be too heavy to be atlatl weights. They are very apt to break in use as an atlatl weight and atlatl weights can be attached to the atlatl in any number of ways much easier than drilling a hole through a rock with grit and a reed.

For each kind of dart material there are a few constants which are inherent to it. They are the material’s density, modulus of elasticity, and vibration dampening characteristics. There are other characteristics but these three affect how the dart works the most. Dart materials may include wood, aluminum, bamboo, fiberglass and perhaps many others. If there is a formula to be devised as a guide to making good darts it would be one that shows a ratio of dart diameter, density, elasticity through different dart sizes, with the ultimate spine being determined by how hard the atlatlist tends to throw.

© Bob Berg

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