Comparison of Various Atlatl Materials

Wooden darts are easy for both experienced and first timers to make. They are reasonably priced always available and very durable. Some wooden dart materials that are lighter than ash show promise for target use. Hemlock is very light yet strong. I also like spruce darts. from time to time I make darts from hemlock and spruce but I don’t always have them in stock. The softer woods are easily worked with hand tools so customizing them is easy. A very good dart can be made by splicing an ash shaft to a hemlock shaft using a scarf joint. The splice should be about 1/3 of the length of the shaft with the ash in the front and the hemlock in the back.

One should avoid splicing shafts in the middle or at the quarter points of darts because harmonic motion lead to strange flexing patterns when the dart is shot.

Heavy ash darts are good for accuracy from 1 to 20 yards, (excellent for accuracy at 2 to 15 yards), poor for distance, and excellent for penetration and very durable, require periodic straitening but once seasoned retain straightness well, killing power 10, consistency is 9, authenticity is 8 in the South and 10 in the North, hafting is easy and can be done in a large variety of ways, finishing is easy. Ash darts are very good for hunting. Setting up ash darts for hunting has the advantage of the possibility to make a full set of practice darts that match your full set of hunting darts. One advantage of heavier wooden dart shaft is that they have a greater dampening of the helical undulating harmonic oscillation that is caused by the pattern that the atlatl spur pushes against the dart as it accelerates it forward. In simpler terms it is the corkscrew wobble that is decreased because of the properties of the wood that is caused by the weird way that an atlatl launches a dart.

A good way to keep and maintain a set of hunting darts is to get two identical sets. Put broadheads on one set and field points on the other. As you use up your hunting darts your practice darts can easily be converted into hunting darts.

Cane darts are good for accuracy at longer distances, fair for distance throwing and medium for penetration and not very durable, retain straightness but are difficult to straighten initially; killing power 5 consistency is 1, authenticity is 8 (1 in the north), hafting is more challenging, finish is not necessary but if wanted it is challenging to apply. Cane darts can be made for hunting by using a heavy fore shaft improving killing power and penetration. Cane darts are expensive and difficult to get. We sell raw cane shafts when good quality shafts are available. (call for availability: 800 836 4520) A typical cane dart takes experienced dart makers up to several hours to make because of the time necessary to straighten them. Cane darts vary so much from shaft to shaft that matched sets are sometimes difficult to come up with.

Auminum darts are good for distance, not so good for accuracy and poor for penetration. Dampening of the helical wobble is non existent. Aluminum darts wiggle all the way to the target. They are durable and always straight, killing power on a scale of 1 to 10 rates a 2, consistency on a scale of 1 to 10 is 10, authenticity on a scale of 1 to 10 is 1, hafting is accomplished mechanically, finish is always the same. Aluminum darts can be weighted and improved by filling the front half with wood or another aluminum arrow shaft. Aluminum darts are expensive.

Composite materials like fiberglass and carbon fiber can be made into darts that score a 10 in consistency, straightness, and durability. Accuracy is good. Dampening characteristics of composite materials are poor. Most composite darts I have seen have been very light so they would not be good for hunting or fishing. It would be possible to make composite darts that would be good for hunting and fishing but the obstacle is that they are the most expensive of darts to make and hunting darts tend to get destroyed.

You can have fun with any dart but as for me, I prefer wood darts. If I practice with them I get real good at controlling them. I have shot in the high 80s and once in the 90s in the ISAC with heavy darts for many years so they can be accurate up to the 20 meter distance. The real test of wooden darts is that I have killed 20 or more big game animals with them. Many of my customers have reported success with my wooden darts.

Just some thoughts about the atlatl.

-Bob Berg

Happy New Year!

A new year for atlatl contests, hunting and all sorts of atlatl fun! The staff at Thunderbird Atlatl wishes everyone a very Happy New Year! We are all geared up with a good selections of atlatls and darts, give us a call at 1-800-836-4520 and we would be happy to help you with your order.
There are many new plans in the works for 2007 for Thunderbird Atlatl Bob Berg is busy coming up with a some new designs and is constantly improving production.
Leave us a message if we aren’t available to answer your call and we will get back to you. You can also reach us on our cell phones: 607-743-4379 or 607-222-9873.

Happy Holidays!

It has been a hectic few weeks at the Thunderbird Atlatl shop. We are happy to say all the holiday orders have been sent out. We are still available to take last minute orders but probably cannot guarantee their arrival by December 25th!
We do have gift certificates available and they can be emailed to recipients. Please give us a call at 1-800-836-4520 if you have any last minute gift needs.
Our inventory is in good shape for anyone looking for a post Christmas gift! Give us a call and we will see if we can help you out.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and Happy Holidays to all!

Place Your Holiday Orders Now!

We are busy making and shipping orders for the holidays! If you would like to get an atlatl shipped via regular priority mail before Christmas, please get your order into us by Monday, December 18!

After December 18, we will still ship out orders through the delivery services but will recommend overnight shipping through the post office to insure delivery by Christmas. We can get delivery estimates from UPS, Fed Ex and DHL too!

If you have any trouble with our online catalog, give us a call at 1-800-836-4520. If you do order on online and do not receive a confirmation email within six hours, please give us a call to make sure your order was received! We can also be emailed directly at: Thunderbirdatlatl@gmail.com

Telephone or fax orders can be called in or sent to: 1-800-836-4520. If you get the answering machine, just leave a message and we will return your call. You can also try reaching us at either: 607-743-4379 or 607-222-9873.

Some special items we have ready to ship that are not in the current online catalog include: Nanticoke Atlatls with leather loops (no lacing) for $35 each or $66 with three six foot darts or $124 with seven six foot darts! We also offer plain Nanticokes (no handle or lacing) for $20 each or $51 with three six foot darts and $94 with seven six foot darts.

For the younger set, we have child-sized Kanakadeas for $35 each or $60 with six foot darts or $95 with seven six foot darts! If you are interested in any of these, give us a call at 1-800-836-4520 or email us at Thunderbirdatlatl@gmail.com You can also note your preferences in the comment section of our order form.

Can’t decide which atlatl package to get? How about buying a gift certificate? We can send out gift certificates in any amount you request. Contact us with the name of your recipient, address and other pertinent information and we can send it to you or your recipient. Questions? Give us a call!

Last Minute Atlatl Gift Ideas! Gift Certificates!

Order Now for the Holidays!
Looking for that last minute atlatl gift? You have come to the right place! Activity continues to be busy here at Thunderbird Atlatl Bob Berg and the rest of the staff are keeping busymaking sure inventory is ready for holiday orders. Please give us a call if you have a question about an order. Our toll free number is: 1-800-836-4520. There is usually someone available to answer pretty much 24/7. If you do get the answering machine, leave your name and phone number and we will get back to you within a few hours!

Some special items we have ready to ship that are not in the current online catalog include: Nanticoke Atlatls with leather loops (no lacing) for $35 each or $66 with three six foot darts or $124 with seven six foot darts! We also offer plain Nanticokes (no handle or lacing) for $20 each or $51 with three six foot darts and $94 with seven six foot darts.

For the younger set, we have child-sized Kanakadeas for $35 each or $60 with six foot darts or $95 with seven six foot darts! If you are interested in any of these, give us a call at 1-800-836-4520 or email us at Thunderbirdatlatl@gmail.com You can also note your preferences in the comment section of our order form.

Can’t decide which atlatl package to get? How about buying a gift certificate? We can send out gift certificates in any amount you request. Contact us with the name of your recipient, address and other pertinent information and we can send it to you or your recipient. Questions? Give us a call!

We will be making changes in our online catalog ordering system in the near future but will wait until the new year to make those changes. If you are having any problems with the online catalog, give us a call or send an email through the contact on the web page. You can also email us a thunderbirdatlatl@gmail.com

Try to get your atlatl orders in by December 16th. We probably can only count on standard service via priority mail through the USPS, UPS, Fed Ex and DHL through December 18th. After December 20th, we will probably have to ship overnight to guarantee delviery by December 25th (depending on where you live!)

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